| Jun
25, 19:57: |
Ann>
I was quite delighted to hear that your
presentation had the same title as this on-line event. What
a coincidence |
| Jun
25, 19:57: |
Terry>
Thanks Ann - it was a great conference |
| Jun
25, 19:57: |
Kate>
Welcome to Dr. Terry Cutler and participants
for the Connecting the Continent chat. |
| Jun
25, 19:58: |
Ann>
I gave the conference its title as well
- another coincidence |
| Jun
25, 19:58: |
Kate>
We are delighted to have Terry tonight
as our online guest to focus on questions/comments about
telecommunications and its history |
| Jun
25, 19:59: |
Ann>
thanks for the welcome Kate - want me
to ask some questions or has Terry a few words to say first? |
| Jun
25, 19:59: |
Terry>
No, hit the questions to get me going |
| Jun
25, 19:59: |
Kate>
Ann go ahead - if you have some questions
this may be a good way to start - what do you think Terry? |
| Jun
25, 20:00: |
Vicki has entered the room |
| Jun
25, 20:00: |
Welcome
Vicki,
Welcome to the CTC chat room! |
| Jun
25, 20:00: |
Terry>
Yes |
| Jun
25, 20:00: |
Ann>
I'd like to find out a bit more about
the 'last mile first mile' paradigm and why it is important
to national infrastructure developmentlastmile |
| Jun
25, 20:01: |
Valerie>
when did you get the idea of having a
connecting the continent chat |
| Jun
25, 20:02: |
Terry>
Tough point to start from - but here goes
- last mile is a very old fashioned, supply driven model
where the Telco decided to roll out to "subscribers" (not
people). "First mile" flip reminds us that networking is
all about connecting PEOPLE |
| Jun
25, 20:03: |
Kate>
I could answer that one Terry. Valerie
we thought it was important to have a chat and forum for
Connecting the Continent so that we could ask questions
and share information about telecommunications, history,
future, colour characters etc. |
| Jun
25, 20:03: |
Ann>
How do we go about getting a focus on
first mile? |
| Jun
25, 20:04: |
Terry>
The answer to to embrace the Internet
model of the world as a collection of distributed networks
- a network of networks. a mesh, not a hierarchy |
| Jun
25, 20:04: |
Kate>
Very much about the Connecting the
Continent online event and roadshow Ann. " Linking people
and communities" |
| Jun
25, 20:05: |
Ann>
in your paper on this web site, you talk
about localising regional network operations - will the
big Telco's happily let go of control? |
| Jun
25, 20:06: |
Kate>
Terry what about our Remote and Isolated
people ... with INternet speed?? |
| Jun
25, 20:07: |
Terry>
In the Internet world, they will have
no choice. This is a period of major cgange, as radical
as the shift from the morse code telegraph to the telephone
a century ago |
| Jun
25, 20:07: |
Ann>
do you think that IP telephony will force
the change? |
| Jun
25, 20:07: |
Valerie>
Thanks Kate. I' m a very new user of the
web but have been particularly interested in looking at
connecting the continent over the last week and just tried
to join in on this for experience. |
| Jun
25, 20:08: |
Terry>
Kate - rural communications is a real
challenge - but the answer lies in building from the local
community up, using innovative new technologies to create
a local network that can then hub into the wider world.
This will only happen if we localise our te |
| Jun
25, 20:09: |
Kate>
Great Valerie. What a wonderful experinece
it has been ... |
| Jun
25, 20:09: |
Terry>
Ann, IP telephony will be a real shock
for old operators! |
| Jun
25, 20:10: |
Christopher has entered the room |
| Jun
25, 20:10: |
Welcome
Christopher,
Welcome to the CTC chat room! |
| Jun
25, 20:10: |
Kate>
Is there any communitites already doing
this Terry? I work with distance students and find connecting
and expense a constant barrier |
| Jun
25, 20:10: |
Ann>
We've been really impressed with how our
remote communities have responded to the challenge of being
involved in this project - they are full of enthusiasm about
new technolgoies and I have the sense that the big gains
are just around the corner for them. What will IP telephony
do to current players? |
| Jun
25, 20:11: |
beth>
do you really think the politians in our
world have the inclination to understand the power of this
to the ordinary person out here, soory i'm type A and cannot
just listen |
| Jun
25, 20:12: |
Christopher>
hi there |
| Jun
25, 20:12: |
Terry>
Kate, I wish I could say yes, but I believe
we are almost at the point where we will see new operators
offering IP services counbtry wide, and this will start
to open up new possibilities. A lot depends on whether Telstra
opts to partner with new players |
| Jun
25, 20:12: |
linda has entered the room |
| Jun
25, 20:12: |
Welcome
linda,
Welcome to the CTC chat room! |
| Jun
25, 20:12: |
Kate>
Hi Christopher - welcome to the chat
with Dr Terry Cutler |
| Jun
25, 20:13: |
Terry>
Beth, I think even politicians are now
starting to understand the power of the Internet, starting
with the impact of email; but even government sewrvices
are going online (at last) |
| Jun
25, 20:14: |
Kate>
Hi Linda welcome to the chat with Dr
Terry Cutler. |
| Jun
25, 20:14: |
linda>
hello |
| Jun
25, 20:14: |
beth>
i'm in country nsw and can only afford
to chat on umlimited time but i don't have austar like my
friends and that's a choice |
| Jun
25, 20:14: |
Ann>
I understand that soem regional communities
are building their own high bandwidth networks - how does
this work - does it link into current Telco networks? |
| Jun
25, 20:15: |
Christopher has left the room |
| Jun
25, 20:15: |
Bongo has entered the room |
| Jun
25, 20:15: |
Welcome
Bongo,
Welcome to the CTC chat room! |
| Jun
25, 20:15: |
linda has left the room |
| Jun
25, 20:15: |
beth>
government services are online but the
bosses get their ofsiders to connect and seem oblivious
to the power to people? |
| Jun
25, 20:16: |
Terry>
Ann, the future is all about multiple
networks inter-working; someone puts in a backbone link
like like the old telegraph line; other people build spur
lines; others develop local networks; its a mesh of inter-working
players - but we have been slow to ge |
| Jun
25, 20:16: |
Kate>
Hi Bongo - welcome to the chat room |
| Jun
25, 20:17: |
Valerie>
Kate, I'm from a little town called Buninyong
just outside of Ballarat in Victoria - Valerie |
| Jun
25, 20:17: |
beth>
my town had a regional facility 4 years
ago and it died and it is just getting going again as the
site was not central enough and it was open when most people
were at work. bad planning.? |
| Jun
25, 20:17: |
Kate>
HI Andy welcome to the chat with Dr
Terry Cutler and welcome back Christopher |
| Jun
25, 20:17: |
Ann>
How do you think Australia rates in terms
of laying down broadband - in comparison to other countries? |
| Jun
25, 20:18: |
Terry>
Beth, the thing about email and the Internet
is that it empowers we ordinary people - because we can
talk to each other, and that means "the bosses" have to
listen eventually. This is really imp[ortant in e-commerce
- which creates greater power for cons |
| Jun
25, 20:18: |
Christopher>
hi there what r we talking about |
| Jun
25, 20:19: |
Terry>
Ann, its interesting that South Korea
is now the leader in broadband |
| Jun
25, 20:19: |
Ann>
what is south koreas doing that oz should
learn from? |
| Jun
25, 20:20: |
Kate>
Christopher we have been delighted
to have Terry in the room chatting about Ip services, regional
communities etc. Any questions? |
| Jun
25, 20:20: |
Vicki>
How do we make not only Internet available
in the bush but also Sat Phone more affordable |
| Jun
25, 20:20: |
Terry>
The lesson from countries like South Korea
is about "reinvestment" in infrastrcuture |
| Jun
25, 20:20: |
Christopher has left the room |
| Jun
25, 20:20: |
Bongo>
good question, vicki |
| Jun
25, 20:21: |
Terry>
Vicki, I'm afraid that satellite phone
are going to be expensive to use for quite a while - they
are a good short-term fix, but not the long term answer
in my view |
| Jun
25, 20:21: |
Ann>
our Government seem to be more focussed
on cutting costs and budget surplus than long term issues
of national infrastructure |
| Jun
25, 20:21: |
Valerie>
From Echuca Tourist Centre where they
were advertising the Source to Sea Federation event - SA
sent me a program booklet and I've been hooked ever since |
| Jun
25, 20:22: |
Kate>
What about the CDMA mobile phone. I
was at Leigh Creek on the weekend and this worked here ...
|
| Jun
25, 20:22: |
beth>
please elaborate on s korea |
| Jun
25, 20:23: |
Terry>
Ann, I think we are entering a new cycle
where infrastructure is going to get back onto the agenda
- look at the breakdowns in electricity infrastructure in
the United States - people are now saying we need to reinvest |
| Jun
25, 20:23: |
Bongo>
Terry, do you think sites like these are
a good use of government funds? |
| Jun
25, 20:23: |
Terry>
Kate, new wireless systems like CDMA are
going to be really important in regional Australia |
| Jun
25, 20:23: |
Vicki>
What is the long term answer in your view
if Sat Phone isnt ? |
| Jun
25, 20:24: |
Ann>
what is CDMA? |
| Jun
25, 20:24: |
Kate>
Yes and a lot cheaper than sat. phones
ARe CDMA going to be more wide spread? |
| Jun
25, 20:24: |
grantly has entered the room |
| Jun
25, 20:24: |
Welcome
grantly,
Welcome to the CTC chat room! |
| Jun
25, 20:24: |
Terry>
Bongo, I think "public forums" are always
a good thing for Government to promote - its all about democracy,
like Talking Point site the South Australian Government
has set up |
| Jun
25, 20:25: |
Terry>
CDMA is a new cellular mobile system that
can also be used for fixed network connections - a cost
effective solution in low density areas |
| Jun
25, 20:26: |
Kate>
HI Grantly, welcome to the chat |
| Jun
25, 20:27: |
beth>
don't you think that modern man management
is still very scared of technology. the school i work in
has banned mobile phones |
| Jun
25, 20:27: |
Ann>
Terry - you have been appointed Chair
of the Australia Council, which controls national funding
to the arts. Can you tell us a bit about how you see culture
and telecommunications being connected? And what role might
you take here - I imagine in promoting the multimedia industry
- but is ther a broader role too? |
| Jun
25, 20:27: |
Vicki>
Terry could you use laymans terms. I dont
know what a fixed network connection is! |
| Jun
25, 20:28: |
Kate>
What do you think Terry about satellite
internet connections for RI people? |
| Jun
25, 20:28: |
grantly has left the room |
| Jun
25, 20:29: |
Terry>
Sorry Vicki - "fixed network" refers to
situation where your network access is via a physical cable
- like the old telphone copper cable connecting a house.
The point with CDMA and other wireless systems is that they
can be used as a substitute for the c |
| Jun
25, 20:30: |
Vicki>
Kate, what are RI people?? |
| Jun
25, 20:30: |
Terry>
Kate satellite is a great way to "plug
the gaps" until we can roll out alternative and cheaper
network solutions |
| Jun
25, 20:30: |
beth>
great question ann now i realise who i'm
listening to - i did watch the national press club too |
| Jun
25, 20:30: |
Valerie>
Thanks for the experience - until next
time.Unfortunately I have to leave now. |
| Jun
25, 20:31: |
Valerie has left the room |
| Jun
25, 20:31: |
Ann>
I didn't see the national press club but
I guess they thought up the same question |
| Jun
25, 20:31: |
Kate>
While Terry is catching up with the
questions why dont we discuss what we think about mobile
phones in schools. I think this is an interesting issue
Beth. |
| Jun
25, 20:32: |
Kate>
Sorry Vicki Remote and Isolated |
| Jun
25, 20:32: |
Terry>
Ann, the great things about being on the
Australia Council for arts is that it at the centre of the
emerging revolution in digital content, and the wat that
online content making and online access will change both
the way we "make" art and the way we can |
| Jun
25, 20:32: |
beth>
it was the previous out going chair and
all my women friends who watched were inpressed and terry
you must be brave |
| Jun
25, 20:32: |
beth>
thanks kate it is |
| Jun
25, 20:33: |
Terry>
Beth, it is a big challenge. But I am
passionate about the importance of Australia becoming a
"Creative country" |
| Jun
25, 20:33: |
Ann>
this project bears that out - we've recorded
some musicians who live in remote communities along the
overland telegraph - and we've put them on this web site.
They've been wrapped, as they'd not have gotten the opportunity
of it weren't for the internet |
| Jun
25, 20:34: |
beth>
people believe that students can rally
up a seattle senario in our schools and seem to have little
faith in their own culture |
| Jun
25, 20:35: |
Kate>
Terry have you had a good look at the
connecting the continent website? I think you will find
a lot of amazing creative stories and works |
| Jun
25, 20:35: |
Terry>
Ann and Beth, Look at the way indigenous
communities have been able to use the Internet as a way
for the world to see and learn about their culture and arts |
| Jun
25, 20:35: |
Bongo>
always has been a creative country ...
we just got to work out how to maximise our opportunities! |
| Jun
25, 20:36: |
Ann>
the indigenous internet story is amazing |
| Jun
25, 20:36: |
beth>
the bottom line seems to be the worst
case not the opportunities and their are so many current
validations of this in the media |
| Jun
25, 20:36: |
Terry>
Bongo - I agree, but we have not been
all that good at harnassing all the creativity - for example,
in industry |
| Jun
25, 20:38: |
Bongo>
yes ... we seem to have a low opinion
of ourselves ... I reckon because of our low population
and big beautiful space ... compared to other busier countries |
| Jun
25, 20:38: |
Ann>
in what areas does oz have strength in
digital media |
| Jun
25, 20:39: |
Vicki>
Except for the RI folks cant we visitors
do without our mobiles/net for a week or two. VHFis avail
for us |
| Jun
25, 20:39: |
Terry>
Ann, Two areas that spring to mind are
the ABC Online - which is really up there in world terms,
and our global position in computer games, which are the
sharp end of digital content. |
| Jun
25, 20:39: |
beth>
eg i would not normally be brave enough
to participate in such a forum as this but i'm fortunate
to have the facilities which individuals may have but communities
NEED |
| Jun
25, 20:40: |
andy>
Successful education is about bringing
kids from the country to the city andd visa versa. Hopefully
govt and businesses will see the benefit of modern, exciting
an inexpensive communication systems for all uses. Thanks
Kate I have been uses the site today and my students have
enjoyed the great site. Hard to cover all bases in a short
time frame. |
| Jun
25, 20:40: |
Ann>
what would you personally most like to
see happening in the arts in Australia? |
| Jun
25, 20:40: |
Terry>
Vicki, addicts like me could live without
mobile phones, but not without email! |
| Jun
25, 20:41: |
Kate>
Great Andy - where are you from - what
school? |
| Jun
25, 20:41: |
beth>
do we see our image in technology differently
to the outside perspective |
| Jun
25, 20:42: |
Kate>
Me too Terry. |
| Jun
25, 20:42: |
Terry>
Andy, you raise a great point about modern
communications creating the opportunity for people to establish
and maintain wider networks outside their immediate locality
- "re-connecting the country" |
| Jun
25, 20:42: |
andy>
From Belair Adelaide |
| Jun
25, 20:42: |
Vicki>
When we get away (this year Innaminka
and Flinders Ranges x5 |
| Jun
25, 20:43: |
andy>
This will place more pressure on yhe powers
that organise our com systems |
| Jun
25, 20:43: |
Vicki>
Rest of message. the most technology I
want is a hot shower. Except for emergency comunication |
| Jun
25, 20:43: |
Terry>
Beth, not sure what you measn by image,
but in terms of "digital content" I hope we can develop
our own distinctive Australian voices and images - not just
a "McDonalds culture". Local content is really important |
| Jun
25, 20:44: |
Ann>
the value of local community networks
has been highlighted in this - we've had lots of people
in these tiny communities use this chat room for talking
to each other |
| Jun
25, 20:45: |
Bongo>
Terry, have you had a chance to check
this site out? |
| Jun
25, 20:45: |
Vicki has left the room |
| Jun
25, 20:46: |
beth>
i mean we think we are doing well in technologies
but the industrial world (share prices) don't reflect this
image or opinion |
| Jun
25, 20:46: |
Terry>
Ann, History is repeating itself: the
miracle of the Overland Telegraph was the way it enabled
local communities to connect to the world, and this in turn
helped local communities to be viable communities |
| Jun
25, 20:47: |
Terry>
Bongo, Yes I've has as much of a browse
as I have had time for so far, but I will be coming back! |
| Jun
25, 20:47: |
andy>
Terry when I travel I use the old tranceiver
system for emergency communication and radphone. Is this
still the most common form of transmission in the outback
community. |
| Jun
25, 20:48: |
Ann>
I guess the real irony of this project
is that the communities which sprang up to support the OT
now have very little in the way of hi-tech communications
- Marree and Oodnadatta are good examples - though things
are moving fast now |
| Jun
25, 20:49: |
Jolanda has entered the room |
| Jun
25, 20:49: |
Welcome
Jolanda,
Welcome to the CTC chat room! |
| Jun
25, 20:49: |
Terry>
Beth, I agree - we have lots of really
talented young entrepreneurs who are currently finding it
hard to succeed with the stockmarket down-turn. But we must
keep promoting Australian talent to the rest of the world
- we are much more noticed now than fiv |
| Jun
25, 20:50: |
andy>
Thanks Ann, I suppose it will be a long
time before all have modern hi tec system. User pays-so
the old will do until they can no longer use it |
| Jun
25, 20:51: |
Terry>
Andy, I suspect satellite phone are becoming
the norm for emergency communicationsnorm |
| Jun
25, 20:51: |
Kate>
Welcome Jolanda to our chat with Terry
Cutler |
| Jun
25, 20:52: |
Terry>
Andy, an extra point - a lot of "Old"
technology is very useful - like redio broadcasting for
example, a very powerful form of mass communcation |
| Jun
25, 20:52: |
Jolanda>
Thanks Kate..I'm madly trying to catch
up with the chat so far |
| Jun
25, 20:53: |
Ann>
what do you think is the future of the
text messaging on mobiles - we will get into it like the
Japanese and DoCoMo? |
| Jun
25, 20:53: |
beth>
in my job i find it most difficult to
argue continually for keeping in the for of technology as
there is not just enough money available to education |
| Jun
25, 20:54: |
Kate>
WE only have 5 minutes left ... any
last questions |
| Jun
25, 20:54: |
Ann>
You talk about the 'tyranny of density'
in your paper on this web site - how can we overcome it? |
| Jun
25, 20:54: |
beth>
the youth of australia are very into cdma |
| Jun
25, 20:55: |
Kate>
I know how that feels Beth. |
| Jun
25, 20:55: |
Terry>
Ann - I find text messaging on mobiles
just too hard - I suspect the real revolution is when when
get real voice recognition and can have voice to text translation
- then (at least for me) mobile text can be really useful.
But I would hate to try a chat |
| Jun
25, 20:55: |
beth>
when will we see another such forum? |
| Jun
25, 20:56: |
roger has entered the room |
| Jun
25, 20:56: |
Welcome
roger,
Welcome to the CTC chat room! |
| Jun
25, 20:56: |
Kate>
Every day/night this week beth we have
a range of online guests |
| Jun
25, 20:56: |
Terry>
Ann - we will overcome the tyranny of
density when we put serious research and development into
new low population density solutions - and a lot of the
world is low density! |
| Jun
25, 20:57: |
Bongo>
this site is a unique snapshot of ordinary
but distinctive australians ... do you think it should have
a life beyond the centenary year? |
| Jun
25, 20:57: |
andy>
Thanks for chat and logging out |
| Jun
25, 20:57: |
andy has left the room |
| Jun
25, 20:57: |
Kate>
Hi Roger welcome to the chat with Dr
Terry Cutler we only have a few minutes left |
| Jun
25, 20:58: |
Ann>
terry - we're so delighted you could join
us for this chat. Thank you. |
| Jun
25, 20:58: |
Terry>
sites like this should be part of an ongoing
"virtual democracy" |
| Jun
25, 20:58: |
Terry>
Ann, thanks for the opportunity of taking
part |
| Jun
25, 20:59: |
Bongo>
virtual democracy ... that's a new thought
... |
| Jun
25, 20:59: |
beth>
thank you Dr terry for being here tonight
for us few ordinary people |
| Jun
25, 21:00: |
Ann>
sorry I've been hogging question time
- it's such a great opportunity to talk to someone with
a big picture view of telecommunications |
| Jun
25, 21:00: |
Bongo>
thanks heaps for the chat ... |
| Jun
25, 21:00: |
Ann>
ordinary people do extraordinary things |
| Jun
25, 21:01: |
Kate>
Thanks everyone for joining the chat
tonight, a special thank you to you Terry for taking the
time tonight. We have enjoyed chatting with you all tonight
about locam community networks, Ip servcies, mobile and
sat phones and so much more. I will archive this chat for
future use. Thanks again to everyone. |
| Jun
25, 21:01: |
Ann>
thank you everyone for taking part |
| Jun
25, 21:03: |
Jolanda has left the room |
| Jun
25, 21:03: |
Terry>
Kate, I have to log off now! |
| Jun
25, 21:04: |
Terry has left the room |
| Jun
25, 21:04: |
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| Jun
25, 21:04: |
Ann>
Kate and Bongo - did you see our first
snapshot tonight - good old Laurie |
