| Jun
20, 20:00: |
Roger>
Welcome everyone and thank you all
very much for participating in our Connecting The Continent
Online Forum. Julian Todd our very special guest tonight
is the great great grandson of Sir Charles. Welcome Julian
- I'm very interested to know more about Sir Charles as
a leader of men. From what I have read he seems to have
been a very practical and organised man with an ability
to get on well with men and earn their respect. Could you
comment? |
| Jun
20, 20:00: |
adrian>
Gidday Julian and chatters |
| Jun
20, 20:00: |
Paddy>
They dont sell it here any more: it must
have been a long time ago |
| Jun
20, 20:02: |
Julian>
He was a visionary and very determined
- and wasn't scared to roll his sleeves up - He didn't build
the line from behind a desk ! |
| Jun
20, 20:02: |
richard>
where did everyone go ...out for a stones
original ..great for frostsPaddy |
| Jun
20, 20:03: |
jacquie>
did your family talk about him a lot when
you were growing up? |
| Jun
20, 20:03: |
Kate>
You must be very proud of the history of
the Todd family and what they achieved |
| Jun
20, 20:03: |
richard>
Julian what was the vision as u c it |
| Jun
20, 20:04: |
Julian>
will attach a note from the speech I gave
last Friday at the launch - it gives a great insight into
the man and what he achieved |
| Jun
20, 20:04: |
Julian>
Despite the fact that the construction
of the Overland Telegraph Line was an enormous task for
what was then a community of 180,000 under tremendous political
and commercial pressure, Sir Charles' team in the main never
had any doubt that they might fail. Certainly there were
times when they wondered when it might be finished, but
never that it would not be. It is as if they simply went
out and started planting poles, knowing that if they kept
going they would eventually cross the continent. And 36,000
poles and 3,000 kilometres later they did. |
| Jun
20, 20:04: |
Julian>
This enormous achievement was primarily
due to Sir Charles' energy and drive, his strategic vision,
his sense of humour, his caring for his men and his ability
to establish excellent relationships with the Aborigines. |
| Jun
20, 20:04: |
bj has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 20:04: |
Welcome
bj,
|
| Jun
20, 20:05: |
Julian>
On his death in 1910, his son-in-law, Sir
William Bragg, wrote an appreciation of Sir Charles for
the Royal Society in London. It reads: |
| Jun
20, 20:05: |
Julian>
" He had no commanding personality; at
first glance it might have been difficult to discover the
source of his power. He was clearly a bright and happy man
- kind, generous, full of vitality, with a perfectly boyish
sense of fun. |
| Jun
20, 20:05: |
bj>
hi Julian and everybody |
| Jun
20, 20:05: |
Julian>
Those who worked with him soon recognised
his sense of proportion; his strong grasp of essentials,
his acute understanding, and untiring energy. Yet, to those
who knew him best, it seemed that the main secret of his
success lay deeper still. It was his conviction that all
those who served under him, or with him, were as enthusiastic
as he himself for the success of the work to which they
were pledged. He had no idea of using his own position for
his own advancement, and his natural impulse was to believe
that the purpose of every man in his employ was as single
as his own. As might be expected, he rarely failed to find
what he sought to see. The whole of his great department
was infected with his sense of duty and loyalty, his kindly
courtesy and good humour. His remarkable capacity for organisation
would in any case have created an efficient machine, but
the simple goodness of his nature made his men happy in
their work. |
| Jun
20, 20:06: |
richard>
is this the Todd river connection in Alice
Springs? |
| Jun
20, 20:07: |
richard>
gday bj we're discusing Toddy |
| Jun
20, 20:07: |
adrian>
I've heard several different accounts
of the Barrow Creek incident ... do you have an opinion
about what actually happened? |
| Jun
20, 20:08: |
Julian>
Yes - Alice Springs was named after my
great gerat grandmother - Alice Gillam Todd - she came with
Sir Charles to Australia in Nov 1855 |
| Jun
20, 20:08: |
Jolanda has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 20:08: |
Welcome
Jolanda,
|
| Jun
20, 20:09: |
Kate>
What did she do while Sir Charles
was "Connecting the Continent"? |
| Jun
20, 20:09: |
Julian>
Re Barrow Creek - which versions have you
been told ? |
| Jun
20, 20:10: |
jacquie>
what was the Barrow Creek Incident? |
| Jun
20, 20:10: |
Julian>
Alice was busy being a mother ! |
| Jun
20, 20:11: |
Kate>
Oh no. Did she stay in Adelaide? |
| Jun
20, 20:12: |
adrian>
Well there is Dick Kimba's version on
this site ... which is very believable ... which is different
to the version told in text on the Barrow Creek page of
this site ... I've also been told a completely different
story again from a Walpiri elder ... it's all a bit confusing
really |
| Jun
20, 20:12: |
Julian>
Will coem back to Barrow Creek in a minute
- re Alice - she stayed in Adelaide |
| Jun
20, 20:12: |
richard>
sounds like we should have heard more
.Ive heard of a hot Toddy is that how they coped with the
cold at night |
| Jun
20, 20:13: |
Kate>
Telecommunications in Australia
has undergone significant change. Do you think Sir Charles
would agree with the changes and competition? |
| Jun
20, 20:14: |
Julian>
Alice and charles had 6 children - and
in her spare time helped behind the scenes with the enormous
logistics associated with the line |
| Jun
20, 20:14: |
Julian>
Without doubt |
| Jun
20, 20:14: |
Jolanda>
Hi Julian! I am a teacher-librarian
at a primary school in Adelaide and one of my students asked
me if how many of the original poles are still standing?
Any ideas? |
| Jun
20, 20:14: |
bj>
it must of been really tough to be a mother
in the 1870's ... there are a lot of things that we take
for granted |
| Jun
20, 20:15: |
Julian>
300 years ago - wealth was acknowledged
by how much land you had |
| Jun
20, 20:15: |
Kate>
I think Alice was also an amazing
lady. 6 kids. |
| Jun
20, 20:15: |
ian has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 20:15: |
Welcome
ian,
|
| Jun
20, 20:15: |
Julian>
Re the kids - I'm trying to fire my family
tree on the PC |
| Jun
20, 20:16: |
Julian>
This impossible too many conversations
! |
| Jun
20, 20:16: |
adrian>
There are some really good poles still
standing near Pine Creek ... complete with wire and all
of them are exactly 100 paces apart ... |
| Jun
20, 20:16: |
Julian>
Re the creation of wealth - it is how we
distribute information that will determine our success in
the next century |
| Jun
20, 20:17: |
Julian>
And telommunications is vital in this respect |
| Jun
20, 20:17: |
Julian>
Re the Poles - I still think its amazing
- 4ft deep, 15ft tall, and 36,000 of them ! |
| Jun
20, 20:17: |
Jolanda>
thanks Adrian The students wil be
pleased that I did my homework! |
| Jun
20, 20:18: |
richard>
gday ian we're learning about todd very
interestng |
| Jun
20, 20:18: |
bj>
where is the blinman webcam? |
| Jun
20, 20:19: |
ian>
hi richard and everyone yes i am just
catching on to where the story is at the moment |
| Jun
20, 20:19: |
Julian>
Now - can anyone tell me where the name
Heavitree came from....itis NOT Sir Charles' middle name
? |
| Jun
20, 20:19: |
annie has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 20:19: |
Welcome
annie,
|
| Jun
20, 20:20: |
richard>
Have u calculated 4 feet by 36000 at 2
hours a pole |
| Jun
20, 20:20: |
Jolanda>
Julian...what other jobs did Sir
Charles dabble in as a younger fellow? |
| Jun
20, 20:20: |
Kate>
in the Pub at Blinman BJ. Welcome
Annie we are chatting with Julian Todd |
| Jun
20, 20:21: |
Julian>
they didn't have post hole diggers in those
days ! |
| Jun
20, 20:21: |
Roger>
Interesting question about Heavitree julian
- i hope we can also get some answers in the discussion
section of the forum too |
| Jun
20, 20:21: |
Julian>
Jolanda - Sir Charles was a mathematical
child prodigy |
| Jun
20, 20:21: |
annie>
Hi kate - and Julian and everyone - it's
me Annie Clancy logging on from home |
| Jun
20, 20:22: |
Julian>
His first job was as a "computer" at Greenwich
Observatory in London |
| Jun
20, 20:22: |
annie>
Isn't there also a place called Heavitree
Gap - or was this named after Sir Charles? |
| Jun
20, 20:22: |
Julian>
He used to spend his days adding up countless
numbers ! |
| Jun
20, 20:22: |
Roger>
Sir Charles was passionate about astronomy
- did he successfully combine this interest with the work
on the OTL? |
| Jun
20, 20:22: |
ian>
have we got pictures running with the
chat session tonite |
| Jun
20, 20:22: |
richard>
how many blokes at any one time Julian |
| Jun
20, 20:23: |
Julian>
Annie - yes - there is Heavitree Gap and
a myth that it was named after Sir Charles....I just don;t
know what was the original story |
| Jun
20, 20:23: |
annie>
A lot of people with genius level intelligence
seem to have trouble relating to other people - I have a
family member like that - but this doesn't seem to have
been true of Charles - is this right Julian? |
| Jun
20, 20:25: |
Julian>
He was a quiet humble dignified scientist
at heart - he came originally to be SA Astronomer and Superintendent
of telegraphs |
| Jun
20, 20:26: |
Julian>
When the contract for the northern section
was terminated - Todd moved up north to work with the men
and supervise directly |
| Jun
20, 20:26: |
richard>
no quiet life for todd . did he leave
diary |
| Jun
20, 20:26: |
annie>
For those who haven't read some
of the stories about Charles Todd, the tale that I love
is that whenever Charles Todd had a cup of tea he would
repeat the same line - that without his 't' he would be
odd! Apparently he said it everyday for 75 years! |
| Jun
20, 20:26: |
adrian>
did he actually sail one of the ships
up the Roper River with supplies for the OT workers? |
| Jun
20, 20:27: |
Jolanda>
did Sir hobbies have any hobbies ? |
| Jun
20, 20:27: |
Julian>
well maybe not every day ...and yes I'm
qualified to say it.....but it still sounds very corny ! |
| Jun
20, 20:27: |
annie>
Julian - give us the true story
on Alice Thomspon's Singing Line - was everything she said
about Charles the gospel truth? |
| Jun
20, 20:28: |
richard>
annie i love that story |
| Jun
20, 20:28: |
Jolanda>
sorry Julian I'm not know for my perfect
typiing skills but practice makes perfect they keep telling
me. |
| Jun
20, 20:28: |
Julian>
Sir Charles was an Astronomer - he no doubt
checked the master on his navigation....but sailing a tallshiop
- I don't think so ! |
| Jun
20, 20:29: |
Julian>
Sir Charles - I understand that his hobbies
all evovled around astronomy - did you know that in the
Mid 1880's he was exploring the effect of El-nino? |
| Jun
20, 20:30: |
Julian>
Another hobby was photography - he was
patron of the SA Photographic Society |
| Jun
20, 20:30: |
annie>
Now, here's a woman's question -
how much of the OT achievement should rightly belong to
Alice his wife? Would he have ever come to OZ if she hadn't
offered to come with him? And if he'd had to darn his own
socks, would he have had time for all that gazing at the
heavens and musing about telegraph wires? |
| Jun
20, 20:30: |
Julian>
He and Sir William Bragg experimented with
Xrays |
| Jun
20, 20:30: |
richard>
did he dig holes or was he an elite supervisor |
| Jun
20, 20:31: |
adrian>
back to Barrow Creek ... I don't actually
need to hear your version about what happened ... I just
want to know if you have a firm opinion on what actually
took place or whether you are in doubt about all accounts,
as I am |
| Jun
20, 20:31: |
ian has left the room |
| Jun
20, 20:31: |
annie>
Julian - are there many photos still
existant today that were taken by Charles |
| Jun
20, 20:32: |
Julian>
It takes two to tango ! I doubt whether
Sir Charles would have achieved so much without Alice |
| Jun
20, 20:32: |
Kate>
Way to go Anne - I agree. I think
behind every great man there is a GREAT WOMAN. |
| Jun
20, 20:32: |
Julian>
there are a few photos on the web site
- but most are in the Mortlock Library |
| Jun
20, 20:33: |
ian has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 20:33: |
Welcome
ian,
|
| Jun
20, 20:33: |
ian has left the room |
| Jun
20, 20:33: |
annie>
Adrian - I reckon the most reliable
accounts are the trancsriptions of the oral histories given
by the Katyeye people of barrow Creek - have we got them
up the web site yet |
| Jun
20, 20:33: |
ian has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 20:33: |
Welcome
ian,
|
| Jun
20, 20:33: |
ian has left the room |
| Jun
20, 20:34: |
Julian...what
was Sir Charles favourite foodJolandaal/dish? |
| Jun
20, 20:34: |
Julian>
Roger - perhaps you can answer this one
! |
| Jun
20, 20:34: |
annie>
Are any of Charles' photos of the
OT? |
| Jun
20, 20:34: |
Julian>
Not the food question - I meanthe Barrow
Creek info ! |
| Jun
20, 20:35: |
carol has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 20:35: |
Welcome
carol,
|
| Jun
20, 20:35: |
Julian>
Sir Charles probably enjoyed bulli beef
- just like the rest of them ! |
| Jun
20, 20:36: |
annie>
this is a good chat - it's great
when everyones really interested in the topic |
| Jun
20, 20:36: |
richard>
Smoking |
| Jun
20, 20:36: |
Kate>
Welcome Carol to the Chat room.
Our very special guest tonight is Julian Todd. Welcome |
| Jun
20, 20:37: |
annie>
is it soemwhat daunting when you
have a famous forbear - do you feel compelled to achieve
great things yourself? I come from a long line of nobodies,
so it's easy to achieve more than the forbears! |
| Jun
20, 20:37: |
Julian>
What stories can you tell me about the
OT Line and how it has changed outback? |
| Jun
20, 20:37: |
richard>
welcome carol we r very todd centred very
intrsting |
| Jun
20, 20:38: |
adrian>
it means you get to have multiple conversations
in chat rooms ... charlie would be proud of you right now |
| Jun
20, 20:38: |
Julian>
Annie - don't worry - I'm a nobody too
! Just have a passion about a significant part our Australian
history |
| Jun
20, 20:39: |
Julian>
As richard has said...smoking ! |
| Jun
20, 20:39: |
richard>
we had 4 koalas but i doubt if they r
truly bears |
| Jun
20, 20:39: |
Bronte has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 20:39: |
Welcome
Bronte,
|
| Jun
20, 20:40: |
jacquie>
are your children passionate about it
too? |
| Jun
20, 20:40: |
Roger>
I know the OTL extended the capacity for
SA meteorological observations and probably improved weather
forecasting - it probably hasn't come a long way further
since!!!! |
| Jun
20, 20:40: |
Julian>
Unfortunately...they don't have a choice
- my eldest (10) has already done a biography on Sir Charles...! |
| Jun
20, 20:41: |
richard>
cheers dears |
| Jun
20, 20:41: |
Kate>
Hi Bronte - welcome to tonights
chat with our special online guest Julian Todd. |
| Jun
20, 20:41: |
annie>
hate to harp on Barrow Creek - but
it did set the scene for massacre of Aboriginal people for
|
| Jun
20, 20:41: |
Julian>
When was the last time you had such floods
? 1993? |
| Jun
20, 20:42: |
annie>
Todd River, Alice Springs - what
else is named after Charlie and Ali Todd? |
| Jun
20, 20:42: |
Julian>
Annie - I knew the question would come...and
Attack Creek |
| Jun
20, 20:43: |
annie>
Todd Building at the Uni of SA |
| Jun
20, 20:43: |
Julian>
To clear the air - a note from Todd's instruction
manual to the overseers |
| Jun
20, 20:43: |
annie>
Attack Creek - was it to do with
Stuart/Sturt? |
| Jun
20, 20:44: |
adrian>
Attack Creek was a Stuart thing |
| Jun
20, 20:45: |
Julian>
Todd Wrote : "Should any natives be met
with, they must be treated kindly but firmly. No one is
to be allowed to visit the natives' camp without special
permission and in all cases previous intimation is to be
given to the natives. |
| Jun
20, 20:45: |
annie>
What was it that got Todd excited
about telegraphy in the very beginning? |
| Jun
20, 20:46: |
Julian>
And hsi next command was written in bold
"No communication with native women". He also insited that
the "natives" property and burial sites should not be touched. |
| Jun
20, 20:46: |
Roger>
I would say the Todd Resevoir on Eyre
Peninsula |
| Jun
20, 20:47: |
adrian>
Stapleton, from Barrow Creek was reported
to be very friendly with the Aboriginals and yet he died
from a spear wound ... |
| Jun
20, 20:47: |
Bronte>
Please- can someone explaine what OT is?
I've had a quick skim through & can't decipher it. |
| Jun
20, 20:47: |
Julian>
An yes, Attack Creek was a Stuart incident
some 8 years previously |
| Jun
20, 20:47: |
annie>
Todd seemed to treat all people
with integrity and respect - if the accounts of him are
true |
| Jun
20, 20:47: |
Julian>
What I'm trying to say is that despite
the Victorian values of the day, Sir Charles was a compassionate
man who respected Australia's indigenous people. |
| Jun
20, 20:48: |
annie>
Bronte - apologies - the Overland
telegraph line built from Adelaide to Darwin, Australia
in 1870 - 72 |
| Jun
20, 20:48: |
Julian>
Annie - there is even a Mount Todd ! |
| Jun
20, 20:48: |
bj>
OT = Overland Telegraph |
| Jun
20, 20:49: |
adrian>
yes ... I believe Todd was a real gentleman
... and his feat was awesome to say the least |
| Jun
20, 20:50: |
annie>
where is Mount Todd? |
| Jun
20, 20:50: |
Julian>
A question for the floor - how much Australian
pioneering history did you study at school? I felt as though
it was rushed through primary school |
| Jun
20, 20:50: |
Roger>
I have read Sir Charles invested in
land up in the north of SA however the investments failed.
Do you know if this is true? |
| Jun
20, 20:51: |
Julian>
Mount Todd is in the Northern Territory |
| Jun
20, 20:51: |
Julian>
My Great grandfather was an accountant,
company secretary and stockbroker in Adelaide |
| Jun
20, 20:51: |
annie>
For any one in Adelaide - you can
see an enormous portrait of Todd in the main hall of the
GPO - Todd's office opens onto the balcony which looks over
the main hall on the northern side |
| Jun
20, 20:52: |
Kate>
OK teachers this is one for us ....
Australian pioneers .. |
| Jun
20, 20:52: |
denise>
Hi, tonight, here in Hawker, we have met
Fiona Warwick who is a descendent of Charles Todd's brother's
orphaned daughter, Francis Ann |
| Jun
20, 20:52: |
Julian>
And yes, courtesy of the 1890's crash,
lost some of his hard earned public servant pay...but he
was never a wealthy man |
| Jun
20, 20:53: |
Karena has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 20:53: |
Welcome
Karena,
|
| Jun
20, 20:53: |
Roger>
I remember studying the Australian
explorers in primary and secondary school - but that was
in the 50's and 60's |
| Jun
20, 20:53: |
annie>
I got plenty of European pioneering
history in school, but not much Australian pioneer history
- no one wrote it down 40,000 years ago - just being very
cheeky! |
| Jun
20, 20:53: |
Kate>
Julian when did Charles Todd become
Sir Charles Todd? |
| Jun
20, 20:53: |
Bronte>
See ya |
| Jun
20, 20:53: |
annie>
Does Fiona Warwick live in Hawker? |
| Jun
20, 20:54: |
Karena>
Fiona is my best friend |
| Jun
20, 20:54: |
adrian>
my school taugh a lot about Australian History
... but my children know very little ... it appears as if
the current education gurus find it meaningless ... instead
they teach strange foriegn languages and new ways to do
maths! |
| Jun
20, 20:54: |
Karena>
No fiona lives on a station |
| Jun
20, 20:54: |
Will has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 20:54: |
Welcome
Will,
|
| Jun
20, 20:55: |
Jolanda>
I had a hard job to get class teachers
at my worksite to get interested in this project topic etc.
But because of my love of history I registered into the
programme and have shown how it is presenting history in
an exciting fashion and now I'm asked by most of them to
work with their classes and share this part of Aussie history.
In short it was a great carrot to dangle infront of my donkeys!
|
| Jun
20, 20:55: |
Julian>
He was knighted in the mid 1890's - I'm
scrambling thru a few notes - will get exact the date for
you in a min or two |
| Jun
20, 20:55: |
Karena>
Is this "the Roger E" |
| Jun
20, 20:55: |
annie>
Is Fiona into telecommunications like
Julian is? |
| Jun
20, 20:55: |
Karena>
Is this "the Kate D?" |
| Jun
20, 20:55: |
Kate>
Me too. HOwever either though I
don't teach this subject now I know that Australian pioneers
have a huge fouc in schools and also a foucs on woman pioneers.
The foucs is past as well as looking to the future. HOpe
this makes sense Julian and give 1 point to the Ed. dept. |
| Jun
20, 20:56: |
Jolanda>
Adrian ...I somewhat agree! the curriculum
expectations are too too broad |
| Jun
20, 20:56: |
Julian>
1893 |
| Jun
20, 20:56: |
Kate>
Hi Karena - How are you feeling? |
| Jun
20, 20:56: |
adrian>
no ... Roger E ... it's Karen R ... me thinks
...LOL |
| Jun
20, 20:57: |
annie>
Is Holowilena Station one of the many
up there which still has OT poles on it? |
| Jun
20, 20:57: |
Julian>
MY experience at school was less flattering
- it was almost as though Eurpean history was much more
important |
| Jun
20, 20:57: |
Kate>
Jolanda what school are you at? |
| Jun
20, 20:57: |
Karena>
I think Fiona enjoys emailing and chat
rooms |
| Jun
20, 20:58: |
annie>
When we were up at Hawker last year we
met a few people who reported original wooden OT poles on
their properties |
| Jun
20, 20:58: |
Jolanda>
Dear Kate I thought you would have guessed!
I'm the one from Salisbury SE PS that keeps making time
to drop into as many chat rooms as I can since this project
started with my typo's |
| Jun
20, 20:59: |
bj has left the room |
| Jun
20, 20:59: |
Julian>
Just goes to show that the line was built
to last ! |
| Jun
20, 20:59: |
Kate>
Nothing wrong with maths teachers
Adrian! |
| Jun
20, 20:59: |
Julian>
Are your students learning from teh experience? |
| Jun
20, 21:00: |
adrian>
re: Hawker Poles ... yes I've seen some
original poles that have been cut down to form part of a
fence ... there are still occasional tall poles still standing |
| Jun
20, 21:00: |
Kate>
Great Jolanda. Yes you are right
I should have guessed. Great to see so much action online
from Salisbury E PS |
| Jun
20, 21:01: |
Julian>
they've still got some 8 gauge wire attached
! |
| Jun
20, 21:01: |
annie>
still soem single strand copper wire around
Hawker too |
| Jun
20, 21:01: |
Jolanda>
May I add that Australian history in primary
school does include the early explorers eg. Flinders etc.
to death and then the rest of them like Sir Charles rarely
surface but we teacher-librarians hope that the internet
can help us broaden this focus in the future! |
| Jun
20, 21:01: |
Kate>
WOW that is amazing. |
| Jun
20, 21:02: |
Julian>
Did you know that competition in the telecommuncations
market began in 1856? |
| Jun
20, 21:02: |
Karena has left the room |
| Jun
20, 21:03: |
Kate>
We only have a few minutes left.
Are there any last questions? |
| Jun
20, 21:03: |
denise>
Yes, Annie it is Denise M |
| Jun
20, 21:03: |
ian has entered the room |
| Jun
20, 21:03: |
Welcome
ian,
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| Jun
20, 21:03: |
Julian>
But why can't we extend our teaching of
Australian history for secondary schools? |
| Jun
20, 21:03: |
Kate>
NO between who Julian? OPTUS? |
| Jun
20, 21:04: |
annie>
It was Cable adn Wireless that laid the
cable through from Asia to Darwin wasn't it? |
| Jun
20, 21:04: |
Roger>
WOW we are already over our scheduled
chat time - any last questions? |
| Jun
20, 21:05: |
Kate>
Yes Australian history does also
come into secondary schools, in SA it is through Society
and Environment and has a very BIG focus. |
| Jun
20, 21:05: |
Julian>
No - when sir charles arrived in Adelaide
some "cowboys" installed a line from Adelaide to the Port |
| Jun
20, 21:05: |
Jolanda>
Julian: most of the students are still
amazed with the chatroom concept and the webcams etc. but
indirectly I hear them singing out historical facts while
we have tried to work through the 4 maxmazes. They have
been great ! in getting kids to skim read and focus on keywords! |
| Jun
20, 21:05: |
jacquie>
no, just congratulations to all involved
with the chat - very interesting to be involved with! |
| Jun
20, 21:05: |
annie>
Julian, many thanks, enjoyed talking |
| Jun
20, 21:05: |
adrian>
I still want to know if Julian has a personal
opinion on the Barrow Creek incident ... |
| Jun
20, 21:05: |
Julian>
and Sir charles promptly build another
one to compete with it - and upt the cowboys out of business! |
| Jun
20, 21:05: |
Jolanda>
Many thanks for this time to chat Julian.
I |
| Jun
20, 21:06: |
annie>
Julian, many thanks |
